gop led state ace cross the country are working hard to pass voting measures. several states already have. won't these sorts of laws and the gop efforts to hold on to power blunt any momentum for a third party? >> the one state that's already adopted open primaries and rank choice voting is alaska, a deep red state. it turns out that americans of every political alignment think our system will work better if our lead verse to appeal to 351% of voters instead of just the 10% to 20% on either side. so this isn't a red or blue thing, this is a systemic thing, and that's why we all feel like we're being pitted against each other. that's what we have to change. we have to disen tangle the incentives so they line up with the interests of the american people. >> i have your book here called "forward." i want to read a part about your experience running for president. you said, the people around me treated me as either celebrity