from "roseanne" going to work. then he became a broadcaster. he was so much like a teach are where he really enjoyed what he was talking about and always explained it in a very digestible way that was never intended to show you how much he knew as much as how much you could learn and pick up to it. the video game to me, that's like jimmy dean on the sausage almost. that's a very secondary part of what he was. for a significant portion of time, especially those of us who grew up at the tail end of the error in this country, you look at john madden as someone you knew. >> when you heard him do commentary, you didn't great the feeling you wanted to hear the game, you wanted to hear him. he was a head nfl coach at just the age of 32. explain just how big of a deal that is, 32 years old, a head coach in the nfl? >> well, not just 32 but i know