ideological views. but they are permeating so many parts of our national life that they risk becoming normalized and routine if we do not stop them. >> listen, you know, john, this all started with the rise of trump, right? >> yes. >> this sort of anger. but it really came to a head over the last year since the insurrection. it seems a year after the insurrection americans are angrier than ever at people they disagree with. where is this going? >> well, look. there is no question the tone comes from the top and we have defined deviancy down and are in danger of normalizing threats and violence. whatever political frustrations folks may be feeling, frustrations around covid, we need to reawaken to the basic idea of common ground and common decency. that is what in part garland, a.g. garland was discussing today. this downstream effect from the