>> yeah. look. matthew talked about reality, and he's right about the -- i mean, it was not credible to say that he's going to get ten republicans to vote for voting rights. but there's another piece of reality, which is you're not going to get 50 democrats to vote to undo the filibuster. and it's not just manchin and sinema. let's be clear. there are other senators, who are not public, who are not wanting to be out front on this, who -- who are deeply reluctant to vote against the filibuster. they think, you know, for political or other reasons. so, the president knows that. >> carveout, david? >> we've had -- we've had these discussions, before. you and i and bakari had this discussion, i think, maybe last week. >> two weeks ago. >> and i keep asking the question, what would dow? what would you do? he does not have the votes and what he was saying to you is we're on the cusp. i'm not going to be -- i don't have 50 votes to do away with the filibuster. i'm on the -- this is in the