they're black and you're going to react off of your fears of black people running around in a neighborhood causing problems, that's profiling. that's wrong. >> that may be wrong but i guess i'm trying to understand, in your view, a subconscious profiling. is that the same as an active hate crime of going after someone with the intent because of their race to you? >> yes, i think it is. i think we need to look more at implicit racism versus explicit racism. in this case i think there's a lot of undertones and things that are stereo types. he might not have gone out with the lynch mob going after him. he did act in a way that i don't think he would have acted if this was a white person not wearing a hoodie. >> and let me just say to both michael and richelle. it is important to say that there had been a break-in in that neighborhood recently right before zimmerman made this call. the suspect had been a black male. just another piece of context