so you can see that there. that's his body and the middle hand slumped over and the swat team location, the swat team, the overwhelming number. these these pictures counter the rolling stone cover? >> i think any of these photographs were there tests. different people will have different reactions and when i think about the cover of rolling stone, the cover was reflecting a story by a journalist and the story is really about -- >> it's a great story. >> the story is about the folks this young man knew who were totally blind sided and puzzling and struggling with what happened. i think both sets of images are useful for this season. this was someone who went from this one place where people were totally shocked what happened to this other place. >> you're right. >> and still there is this deep mystery so all of these images are part of our portrait of who he is and have to be. it's not just him with the red