is his name is the point? >> i do not know because i don't pay attention to names, sir. >> okay well that's the problem. there's a perception that african-americans who are unarmed are being shot at an alarming and epidemic proportion. when there's a perception that justice isn't being served the government needs to take inventory of itself and correct that issue. america and all of the protests across the nation can't be wrong. >> yes, they can. >> okay. >> because there's a disconnect between what the research shows and what people are concerned about. we could have a long discussion about this. i'm not telling him how to feel. i'm telling him what the social science research shows. two different things. >> i would love to compare those notes. >> i think we will continue this conversation at another time. thank you so much to both of you, walter and david. appreciate it. "outfront" next as violence soars on baltimore streets, accusations that police are backing down from arrests,