and safety of syed and tashfeen because they had so -- it was -- there's never been any evidence that either of the two alleged shooters were aggressive, had extremist views. >> that was the attorney for the family. but it echos what a lot of people have said. are you surprised that we haven't heard anybody really come forward and talk about their radicalization? >> well, erin, i think this is one of the most disturbing parts of the whole puzzle because we know now that they have been planning for quite some time. so this means that they had a criminal sophistication level that was fairly high in terms of keeping their plans, their training, their operations all secret. sole they must have been coached very well on how to do that. this gives me a lot of indicators that perhaps she was a -- she was actually deliberately put into his life to do this.