but the archives is where the documents of the white house's internal discussions, internal deliberations are stored. and the second thing is that the committee here has requested thousands upon thousands of documents, and the trump-former administration comes back and says, we just want to block these 45. and the natural common sense question is why? what you aror when you are trying to hide something, it's usually for a reason. >> yeah, it is and again, this is a lot of requests and all, you know, i'm sorry, all communications related to every one of these individuals on this page is not one document each. so -- so, tim, what's your perspective of this? they come up with 45 specific things. i mean, part of me is like, wow, i can't believe they would have 45 damning documents at the national archives. why didn't they shred or burn them on the way out? which would have been sort of what i expect from them. what is the context here, tim, on a former president trying to keep so many records secret like this? is it a lot or a little? >> this is a big moment because our country's definition of --