mentioned to zelensky when asking for him to do him a favor. >> so, and kilimnik, this is paul manafort's associate. manafort was trump's campaign manager. is making this case, do you think it is in some way that russian disinformation is behind it? how would you describe it? >> i would hesitate to make that attribution until we either saw some communication or something on the back end that supported that theory, but certainly, it supports the russian world view, which we know president trump supports and kilimnik and manafort used to work for yanukovych. he was pro corrupt system and that kind of leads to being pro-russian. and all of this is great for russia. it undermines ukraine's zero atlantic integration. it undermines u.s. support for democracies in countries like ukraine, not just ukraine, but