and during the times relevant of the committee's investigation, did you have any communications with mr. yermak or danylyuk outside of the july 10th meeting? >> i recall a courtesy note from mr. yermak within days of his return to july in which he wanted to preserve an open channel of communication and i said, you know, please feel free to contact me with any concerns. >> and were you following this, you know, there's sort of two tracks, ambassador taylor walked us through it during his testimony last wednesday. there was a -- he called it a regular channel and then he called it an irregular, but not outlandish channel, with ambassador sondland, ambassador volcker. were you tracking the sondland and volcker channel? during this time period? >> i'm trying to recall at which point i became aware ambassador -- certainly, i was aware of the fact that they were working together, sondland,