moderate pushback. it was defined by the green new deal and that was the ticket to admission, basically, you must support some of these policies. now that's not the case. i'm hearing a lot of moderate pushback. all of that, electability, that's what democrats care about. there's no easy answer to what electability means. it means different things to different people. and people will make the argument that at some point the path to electability is about reframing what the progressive values are in the country that will propel voters to come back to the democratic party and not just to beat trump. the idea that you have to be for something as a democrat. >> right. and so this is the case we have right now where a lot of the newer candidates, like someone like mayor pete buttigieg, is trying to bring something pressure to the party, while at the same time staying to the moderate orthodoxy of the democratic party versus people like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, who are trying