he is building. when you read through what he was part of, he's central and at trump's side and he had everything that came his way and he knows how it was given to and reacted to by the former president. >> donald trump famously doesn't text. he doesn't email and he communicates with his top aide, his assistant and also people who are near him. he sort of barks out orders, texts somebody "x" and texts somebody else "y" and one of the questions is how much of that is in here, but even if it's not, like john was saying, the notion that the white house -- you know, again, this is one of those moments that we have to stop, take a breath and say this is not normal. this is not okay. the white house chief of staff participating in any of these discussions, never mind what the text messages believe which is scores of discussions is remarkable. other thing that we were talking