and second of all, if so, was the campaign finance violation, the actual motivation. and then there's other juror number to the fact that he follows donald trump on social media and michael cohen doesn't really tell me all that much. i mean, following donald trump's certainly does not mean you support donald trump. it means you want to see what the then-president, now former president has to say, having read the art of the deal, a lot of people read it. it's been around a long time, but i think the overall profile suggests yes, to me, somebody who might be sympathetic with the defense overall. >> that's a good point, richard, let me ask you about the emotions that were on display. you saw the weight of the moment, some some jurors got emotional. one of them who was a smith told the court, i have to be honest. i feel so nervous and anxious right now. i'm sorry. i thought i could do this, but i would not i want someone who feels this way could judge my case. so what are the chances that one of the alternates might eventually have to step in and if they do, who chooses, which alternate will do is just an order i
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