democratic society if you look at sydney, you can also look at canada from october 20, 22, 24, martin rouleaux, who ran over the canadian soldiers with his vehicle on behalf of isis was on canadian authorities' radar screen. they had tried to syria and fight. you have to realize that the message from isis is that the willing are part of isis. the message they pump out on very sophisticated marketing videos is that you should act, come here and fight with us, if you can't come here and fight with us, fight for us where you are. and don't reinvent the wheel. use what you have at hand. that's what we saw in canada, that's what we saw in sydney. >> you've been on both sides of this idea of punishing thought, right? the media at the top of the game for a very long time. now you're working on the government side.