have had toward cuba has been a miserable failure. it's a relic from the cold war. you know, i'm glad the president did what he did yesterday. i wish it happened decades ago, and i think for those who are concerned about human rights, i think the more engagement between the united states and cuba, the more difficult it will be for the cuban government to be repressive. there are changes already going on in cuba. in spite of the u.s. policy. and that's because of the involvement of the europeans and canadians and everybody else around the world. the only people that have this policy of eye lating the island is the united states. and that has changed, and i think it's a good thing. >> right. but you have the theoretical and the practical. the theoretical, you have dialogue, you introduce them to democracy, to capitalism, to commerce and the people will respond. the problem is that hasn't happened. the u.s. has isolated them, but many other countries have not. there have been a lot of corporate interests that have gone in and out of there. a lot of chances for the regime to loosen their grip, but they've only tightened it. they still give no freedoms to