their voices during the moment of crisis. the first word that we got from the mayor's office was explaining why she didn't have as many people out here as she might have otherwise. that's not how it works. so whatever the motivations were the reality was you had to get out of control and you had no way to keep it under control for way too long. >> and, chris -- >> chris, the motivations are part of the story, chris. i don't disagree with you. i think people should have been in place. clearly they were caught with their pants down to some extent. i don't disagree with you there. my only point is talking about her motivation isn't purely theoretical. if we have a conversation today that this mayor -- >> who's going to stop that from happening, marc? the mayor stopped that from happening. the mayor did not allow the police officers to respond properly so this would not escalate to the point it is today. >> harry, i'm not arguing that point. if we had a conversation that suggests as you just did that the mayor wanted this to happen that's not only irresponsible but creates context for more violence today and more political problems. i don't disagree with harry that they were out of place --