negotiations are moving in the right direction i'd like to see more. we did this with cuba. we went after bin laden. i think this is an opportunity to move forward in a very crucial part of the world, northeast asia which is a tinderbox. and it's a tinderbox caused by the instability of this leader who also has nuclear weapons and appears to be heading in a very dangerous direction. >> governor richardson i remember over the years you saying as difficult as it is as offensive as what happens there is having a channel of communication is the most important thing to change. and that's something we're still struggling with today. thank you for joining us and putting up with all these gremlins we dealt with today. i wish you the best for your weekend. >> >> gremlins still having a party at the end of the segment. great conversation with the former governor. well iran is stirring up trouble in the persian gulf firing on a commercial cargo ship for a second time.