>> but she does also have to show that likable aspect of her personality, that charm. you meet so many democratic voters who have total clinton fatigue and just want something fresh and new. that's where the ground swell has come for biden. we'll see how she does with that. >> do you think that's how she's being coached, be as comfortable, relatable, conversational, have zingers. is that what her handlers are telling her? >> right. let's not forget, she's probably the most skilled debater up there on the stage. she is very good, one of the best politicians in the country. so when she goes up there, if she does something wrong, if she flubs, that's totally on her. >> o'malley is strong also. he has a great generational place. >> that is important. that is the lane. that is the argument he can make, the contrast he can draw, a la gary hart in 1984, i am a different generation. one of the obama 2008 aides had an observation, yes, she's a strong debater. she's strong at speaking to the
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