about the policies that she has been rolling out. we were talking about this, policy is hot. >> exactly. >> truly, the people who are watching tonight are going to want to know, what are you going to do for america? what are you going to do for me? she's got all of these substantive pieces, especially that she has been obsessing about, how you can create jobs in america, in a global economy, how do you raise people's wages? unincumbered by the e-mail stuff, she'll be able to talk about that. >> i mean, maria, the challenge in a debate it's always policy and personality. >> yes. >> style and substance. >> that's exactly right. >> what is the plan for hillary? we know she has the policy covered. >> right. >> she can talk about that all day long. what about the other side. >> what she needs to do is take everything that governor grant holmes said and connect it at a personal level with the american people. this is not a woman who wears her heart on her sleeve. she wears it in her policy