remember, two or three years ago, each of these ended up being, you know, like the real housewives of the g-20. it's like all we would focus on is personalities and what we're now focusing on is at least substance and i think that -- that means a lot to these other countries that are, as you said, have their own domestic agendas that they have to satisfy including the legacy of the afghan withdrawal. >> yeah. that afghan withdrawal, kaitlan, obviously caused some pain with many of the nato allies also deeply involved in afghanistan over the last 20 years. >> and the treep caused, that if the united states is going to withdraw, so do these other nations, not as large a presence and essentially it wasn't sustainable for them to stay without the united states. it's not like this was a secret this was going to happen that president biden made clear long before he took office that he was going to stick by the commitment made by former president trump, that he wanted