participate in the chinese equity firm gets played. because i think to even raise hunter biden's name in that debate hall is going to draw hisses from the audience. because the democratic partisans, they don't want to hear anything about this. but it is kind of the elephant in the room because of the w way -- he's like the tortoise and the heir. slow and steady wins the race for her. because she continues to ascend. >> michael, i think you raise an interesting question, a point. which is if the moderators bring it up, right? any of the biden stuff, that they will be hissed. will joe biden bring it up? because as we've been reporting, he is the sort of tackling it more head on saying it's going to be a squeaky clean white