do you have any idea? >> i don't know what he wants, but i can assume what he could want which is retribution. i mean, he -- remember, he went out of the white house in a typical trump administration fashion which was it was not pretty, it was not amicable. they were, you know, fighting over twitter. and john bolton was not happy. and was not happy on a policy level. was also not happy on a personal level. he was not getting along with some key people in the white house. and he felt that he was right. so if he wants to grind that ax, there is no bigger platform and no more important stage for him to do it. >> there was also reporting he was ousted from the white house. he was frustrated about the ukraine stuff. he might not just have an ax to grind, he might have an actual policy principle he wants to get