when you think about the instances of president trump attempting to get jeff sessions to unrecuse himself, attempting to direct don mcgahn to end the investigation, directing corey lewandowski to tell jeff sessions to unrecuse himself. there are so many instances not only from the mueller report but our reporting, "new york times," "washington post" where the president has put his personal interests above the interests of the country. that is something that has been borne out repeatedly. it's hard to say, look, he's just an anonymous official. discount it. >> it's in the witness testimony. we'll hear a lot more of in the impeachment proceedings. the new nikki haley book, from her perspective it was inappropriate for these other officials to ask her to work against the president, but really the headline might be that the secretary of state and the chief of staff and anonymous here thought the president was a threat to the country. >> that's right, and a threat to himself in a way, right? because here we are again in his second major scandal, you know, the republicans mired in this