now -- i couldn't imagine that happening. and the same thing in 2024, can you imagine donald trump who if he runs will be the republican nominee or any other trump-like republican who would be the nominee if he doesn't run, losing to joe biden, kamala harris, or someone else and not doing exactly what trump has done? the seeds within the constituentsy of the republican party that a defeat of a republican is due to election fraud, those seeds have grown more, not less since 2019. so i don't think much has changed. i would agree with everything jerry said except i wouldn't put so much of in the past tense. this time we have no excuse for not recognizing it in advance. >> you guys predicted the big lie. you didn't call it that -- jerry? >> yeah. and it's not just about trump anymore. we worry about legal issues as well as nonlegal issues. the legal issues is there are many republican states, republican-controlled states, that are changing the laws so