privilege effect, john, for an ex-president. the courts have recognized that the current president should, for example, consult the ex president. but the ultimate decision, the courts have said, the big case is nixon versus the general services administration, that these privileges belong to the country. the country only has one president at a time. that's donald trump. that was donald trump. now it's joe biden. joe biden makes these decisions. so this is a borderline, frivolous instruction to these men. and i think the critical thing is don't let donald trump run out the clock. the courts, if this ends up in court, the courts need to move quickly, john. >> well, what about contempt? what about a referral to the justice department, as chairman thompson of the january 6th committee said he will do, if he refers to thot justice department for criminal content