violence has to stop. the president has to say something. but he is the last person to realize what is required and what he needs to say. >> it is illuminating and it is incredible. you also talk about how trump reflects on his presidency, which i think is very interesting. you say -- he said in a certain way i had two presidencies. >> i love this one. >> he said in the first, when the economy was roaring, trump argued he had been unbeatable. i think it would be hard if george washington came back from the dead and he chose abraham lincoln as his vice president. i think it would have been very hard for them to beat me, trump said. then he lamented, came his second presidency, the pandemic killed his chances. that is -- those are some people to compare yourself to. >> the idea that he's talking to you like if i could have a wrestling match with a reanimated washington and lincoln, that would be a tough -- what kind of mind -- >> well, it's so -- i love the