edward snowden and his nsa revelations seriously enough. we've seen an endless number of stories in newspapers, magazines and websites about the nsa surveillance revelations. but it does sometimes seem as if edward snowden isn't taken as seriously as i know some advocates like glenn greenwald would like him to be seen. that's a debate that "time" magazine has restarted. it's a good thing to debate. this dismissed as a publicity stunt but a great way to think what was important this year. last year's choice was barack obama. now that was a safe choice. this at least is a choice that will get people talking. >> that is true. and, you know, along those lines, i was going to ask you, does it matter who "time's" person of the year is? >> the reason why i think it matters is it's fun to sit around the family dinner table at christmas and talk about what happened this year. maybe i'm the only family.