extensive health care management experience and someone who wants to come into government, perhaps take a salary cut and do this for just a couple of years. >> barbara, is there someone as experienced as shinseki waiting in line who can handle it? >> well, no. the fact is right now today, as we all stand here, eric shinseki knows the most, presumably more than anybody about the precise detailed problems across the va system because he's been looking at it. someone who comes in is going to first have to go through a nomination process, get confirmed, get up to speed, perhaps put in their own team. that's the argument many in congress are making who want to keep him, that he's already ahead of the game. >> getting up to speed, drew griffin, is not going to be that easy when you consider really the depth of this problem. >> reporter: there is a guy there now, a number two, his name is sloan gibson.