parts of the world, in the u.s., in the eu, in other parts of the world are speaking to scientists here from the health minister from the national institute of communicable diseases to help them make their own guidelines in their own countries. >> larry, to fight this, obviously, you need more people getting vaccinated. there seems to be plenty of supply in south african. vaccine hesitancy is a big issue. i heard you on an earlier hour, saying something that i hadn't heard before. which was, in fact, some people in the u.s. who were vaccine skeptics are actually having an influence there many south africa. take us through that? >> that is right. there is a significant amount, i should say, of people who are anti-vaxers or hesitant to get vaccinated, partly because they've been long to right-wing commentators, conservative viewpoints from the u.s. joe rogen, for instance, has a following here in south africa and they listen to that and
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