>> thinking about the conversations around our christmas table yesterday, with family, double vaccinated, boosted, and tested that morning with a lateral flow test to make sure -- but thinking about that conversation, as i'm sure similar in your own household, but thinking about the conversation, people were talking about -- family was talking about, is this the future? where we have to live with it, so it's no longer pandemic, it's endemic. we have a testing regime. and you just get on with it. >> there is an element of thinking that takes us along that line. but i hope we don't have to just get on with it, that the levels of the disease that we have at the current time. i think just getting on with it may be the fact that we recognize covid isn't going to go away, it's going to be part of being immunized against covid will be part of what we put up with in our lives or what we accept in our lives, just as we