sort of off ramp, do we know. >> everyone is hoping for that. mono-tuesday wednesday, engaged in the negotiations. there was some positive rhetoric coming out. at this point, all of the the plans. zelenskyy is hoping to meet with putin and that might happen. sometime next week. i think things are still going to get worse before they get better. >> is vladimir putin there's been a lot said about whether or not he's even his grasp of reality is complete. do we know what his state of mind is? i know it's difficult. >> the terminology. it's difficult to do that from lviv. i spoke to people who just fled. 80% of the housing staff is destroyed. 40% can never be lived in again. the heavy industry that was two major factories. the life blood of the town. even if they take over the territory, it's going to be completely destroyed.