in. and that could foster civil unrest in baghdad. you've got people where the pipelines run and into syria, as well, where isis already controls some of those pipelines. make money off of it, as well. >> as anderson pointed out, still basically isis just north of baghdad. these southern oil fields too, could be another target. but you say not so fast. >> yeah. >> no way they're getting down there. >> this is all shia down here. the notion -- mixed areas. but mainly shia. and the idea of them getting down there -- this is, by the way, what they want as part of this islamic caliphate they talk about, all of this area. and you can include lebanon and israel and all the rest. but the idea of them getting down there militarily to basra, which is an important export area for the oil, that's unlikely at the moment. i think they've got a holding place here. they would love to have that. >> what will they do with it? >> they sell it. they actually can. they can intercept the oil pipelines. they sold some of this oil up through syria into turkey.