it was just 180 degrees today. jackie, did this look like a campaign stop to you? >> this was very much joe biden in his element, that sort of working class group of people, people who don't necessarily like hillary clinton. unions aren't big fans of hillary clinton. so joe biden really tapped into some of what they're thinking, that these jobs are gone. how do they get them back. these are joe biden's people. but i will say joe biden, if he does get into this race, his favorability is high now among democrats, you have to wonder once he is subjected to a campaign, sometimes things come back to earth, usually they do. right now, he is polling below hillary clinton and bernie sanders, so you have to wonder if those numbers will go up. if he starts getting attacked again. right now, he is uncle joe and everybody loves him. >> and he is not in the race. easy to like a candidate who isn't officially putting themselves on the line. you look at iowa and new hampshire polls showing clinton