they're easily obtainable, they're slickly done, seductive. you could see a young man looking for his way might be taken in by the especially a new convert to islam who wants to be part of the fight for his faith. >> these men both very young in their 20s. when you think about the age and being radicalized, what does that tell you? >> that tells you we've got a problem because since they don't come to anybody's attention, they can easily slip out of the country. now the problem will be down the road. if we have a state or an emirate inside of syria and iraq where isis is in charge, they can go there, be trained and easily come back to this country, because they're american citizens, they have american passports. they walk right through security. >> this is all alleged but when you looked into the backgrounds of these two men, what did you find? what stood out to you? >> well, there's some weakness and i don't want to say weakness but some vulnerability, there's some reason they're able to be radicalized, disenchanted with their lot in life, if you're