it? >> the most important thing is to save souls. that's the job of the church. the church's job is to lead people to heaven. and so that's -- the meter that he's going to be judged on. and all these issues have to be judged on. that we have to look as to what is in the best interests of telling the people the truth as to how they should act in convert with god's will. and that's what i'll look at when he makes the moral case for that to be a change in policy. >> rick santorum, as always, great to have you on the show. >> thank you very much. appreciate it, piers. it's been in the story today, moen senior -- professor of the king university history department. let me start, there are lots of catholics around the world, a survey recently cited a few times in the last week in germany, over 70% of german-catholics -- a lot of catholics in germany, believe it's time to have female priests, believe it's time that