americans, you've had the targeting of right wing tea partiers by the irs, and you've got the targeting of the press now in two different places, a.p. and fox news. all of them, i think, come down to a culture at the white house. can he really, the president, stand by and jay carney and these guys and say none of these are scandals, nothing to do with us, our fingerprints aren't on this? >> oh, i was waiting -- >> didn't take long. didn't take long. >> every time people mention nixon -- >> even nixon didn't do what holder's done. even nixon didn't seek to go after a journalist like rosen at fox news and try and get all these background details, his e-mail, his family's e-mails. >> holder is not a sitting president, okay? again -- >> he works for the administration. >> not exactly. the state department doesn't exactly work -- the department of justice doesn't exactly work that way. ostensibly operates independently of the president and of course we know there's connections there. but let's not overstate those connections.