ministry group exdous international. he's now broken down and seen theer ror error of his ways. >> i'm sorry for the pain and the hurt that many of you experienced. i'm sorry that many of you spent years working through shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change. i'm sorry we promoted sexual orientation efforts and theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents. >> so abby huntsman, i'm pleased he made this big apology. the reality is he's been a pretty poisonous individual running a pretty poisonous organization. >> yeah, you would like to say this a courageous move but it shouldn't have been going on to begin with. you hear from folks that have gone through the program that thought very seriously about taking their life. it's a very serious program we're talking about. i think it's the right thing not