changed to appease those people who want gay marriage. that is profoundly different from condemning a person because he's gay. >> notice, piers, pope francis is not talking about acts, he's talking about people. he said drop the categories of sin, let's focus on the -- >> no, never said that. >> the mercy of people. he said do not categorize sin. >> as a matter of fact, if you read it carefully, father, what you'll find is that he's against the rigorous on the right and those priests too lax, the ones that deny the existence of sin, it's in the statement, important for people to read what the pope said -- >> one of the things i see is today in america, all of these groups who have been for i would say more than two decades pushing the constant, constant issue of contraception, the evils of contraception, the whole abortion issue, the issue towards the attitudes that are sometimes so negative toward