los angeles freeway or flight to freedom. we make abc made-for-tv movies about this kind of thing. the media cannot not go with this story line. and then you factor in russia now, i mean this is unbelievable. it's beyond catnip. this is heroin for the media. >> it's an international spy thriller. emily, it occurs to me what while i'm sympathetic to the notion that the media like to reduce these stories to personalities and we should focus on the enormity of what snowden has disclosed and continues to disclose. he gave an interview in which he talks in some detail about u.s. government hacking of chinese mobile phone companies as well as prestigious university in beijing, snowden has by his actions made this more and more about him and of course the debate about his motivations in doing this have to be altered as reporters and commentators cover this by the fact that he is on the run. >> yeah, i think that's right.