it's doable. >> it also comes back to an issue of trust. i remember when kathleen sebelius was in front much congress and saying the white house and this website is working smoothly at the exact moment the website is down. even the president made fun of himself on how bad of a debacle it's been and until they start to have consistency and truth in numbers and truth in the website working, people will be skeptical. >> if by americans you mean fox news -- >> i'm cnn. i'm not fox news. >> i know you're not fox news. what i'm saying is the dominant narrative that we hear is people don't trust it. i hear news outlets say that. i'm not convinced they're one and the same. >> marc, what does it say about the liberal media or the objective media that the conservative media's mayor tiff has stuck so well about this program? >> i think it talks about the inability of producing a strong counter narrative. >> channels like msnbc? >> that's exactly what i mean.