job or be disciplined. >> yes. it was egregious journalism. there was all kinds of problems. >> it starts with the writer and some people suggested she was trying to go out and find the most extreme case she could. the most extreme allegations. that can seem troubling on the face. sometimes you start out with a headline before you have the story, it can get you in trouble. >> absolutely. and that seems to be what she did. i think it's absolutely essential that we keep in mind it's a terrible plague really sexual assault on the campus. >> across the country. >> absolutely. some 100 campuses being investigated under civil rights by the administration. it's a very serious thing. and i think rolling stone thought we've got this story. and it broke with great power. >> it did. >> in part because of the personal narrative.