perry, i think all of this is related. tucker carlson's claims about a riot, about the insurrection, his refusal to talk about being vaccinated, it's all of a piece. do you see those connections? and how would you describe them? >> yeah, he's -- he is practicing -- i think trumpism is what he's practicing if not exactly that. but yes, he is part of something that is described as a news network but is sort of a broader conservative republican apparatus that its intention has the effect of like dismissing truth, evidence, and the media and the government to try to implement policy and rely on evidence and facts. the enterprise is to sort of dismiss all kinds of authorities and institutions. and i think that's at times done by directly undermining vaccines