what sticks. with this specific conspiracy that they're pushing, they're trying to justify the reason why the president was skeptical of ukraine and hoin holding the ai ukraine was out to get him. republicans don't really believe this stuff, but i think many of them just understand they don't have a lot of cards to play. >> what do you think about the fact there are a lot of people saying things they believe are false? >> on the specific point of this debunked theory that dr. hill tried to put to rest very directly, it was gratifying for me, and i'm sure many, many people currently in the intelligence community, because that specific debunked conspiracy theory has been the subject of many briefings on the hill whereby republican members in good faith would ask about it and members of the intelligence committee, the professionals, the experts would say this is debunked, this is not true. it's good to see it out in the open there now, but what's demoralizing is to see despite