way, working with the white house. even if you don't like the man in charge, understanding that you have to get certain things done to keep the clocks running. i think that's an important thing thrks strength that joe biden i think brings to this campaign. >> the trump campaign is launching a democrats for trump campaign. the press release says it's a coalition designed to attract and engage disaffected democrats who will refuse to support rich hunts or radical big government socialist policies. cut through some of that melodrama, this strikes me as a smart strategy. do you think it can see success? >> i imagine there are probably more republicans who are going to be supportive of a democrat against this president, quite frankly. it's fair play. there is always outliars out there. i think we saw that in new