alleging that dr. luke did the almost identical thing to her. i think that there is generally a underground for this kind of the date rape drug is what it's called or the ghb. that's generally not going to be dispensed by a pharmacist. so if you're dealing in that kind of activity, you're probably not getting it -- >> 20 years ago, 30 years ago, the availability was still there? >> the availability was still there. it started to make a -- its presence known about the time that quaaludes were popular. and one of the people who have come out and made the accusation, in fact, has said that one of the things he gave was a quaalude, which was popular 20, 30 years ago. >> something else surprises me about the way this case is developing. i would have thought that by now someone would have come out to glom on to this, who really had no basis making charges against -- you know that multiple people said i'm the one who stole the lindberg baby. there hasn't been that kind of a nut factor. if there were, i assume his defense lawyer would be saying, well, listen to her, see,