only in the eyes of the law, but what it does culturally, michael. >> you're so well known because 11 years ago you became the first openly gay governor in the history of the country. you're also an attorney. let me share something with you that justice scalia said. until the courts put an end to it we were witnessing one of the great exhibitions of american democracy on this issue. but now five justices have just concluded that every state was violating the constitution for 135 years. the time period between ratification of the 14th amendment and when massachusetts recognized same-sex marriage in 2003. what would be your response to justice scalia? >> my response would be that justice kennedy saw that within the 14th amendment there is this basic right of dignity and that gay marriage ought to be afforded the same equality as