there could be anarchy? >> well, i agree with you that this is perilous times we're in. the question is how do we best handle that procedurally for the sake of the nation as a whole. that's why i want to emphasize as difficult as it is, it's essential to do this before the election rather than afterwards. the thing i fear the most is this idea that congress after the vote could take people's vote away. that, to me, would be the ultimate crisis, which is why i think we have to figure out the best way to handle this ahead of time. >> in other words, now we're all familiar with what happens january 6th after an election. you're saying in the january 6th of 2025, we don't want to have this issue now be argued by the congress and throw us into a state of chaos? >> exactly. that's the key point. >> thank you.