and this other guy at least might do something. richard donoghue: it was basically jeff clark advocating for the leadership change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious conversation. herschmann and i were on the same level of being the street fighters of the meeting. eric herschmann: when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good fucking-- excuse me, sorry-- a-hole. congratulations, you just admitted a first step or act you take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating rule six you're clearly the right candidate for this job. jake tapper: 49 37 white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. richard donoghue: he referred to the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president that jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who has never conducted