no real evidence we can point to that this program has helped stop a terrorist attack. others will differ, but that's what his advisory board found. so therefore, there is collection of private data, what was thought to be private data, on almost every american for a program that hasn't turned up a terrorist. does that not seem -- and the president sort of chose to then put it in to private hands or someplace. where is that place? it can't be at target or at any of these places that end up being hacked in to. where is that place? >> let me just say one thing about the report. one of the failings of the report was not to have long conversations with the fbi. as a matter of fact, they had no personal relationship with the fbi in the conducting of the report. pretty hard to come to a conclusion. there was no impact. when you do an investigation, it is as important to have some clue line up with the next clue. and this program clearly has done that. and it has clearly had an